Election 2016, May 30-June 5

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22 thoughts on “Election 2016, May 30-June 5

  1. Assuming they continue to have and gain traction in the media and in polling, is the Libertarian Johnson/Weld ticket attractive to you– either as a positive choice or as a decent negative choice (compared to the two lovely candidates the Dems and GOP are foisting upon us)?

  2. Back in 1980 I voted Libertarian because a) my vote would not have made a difference in the landslide victory of Reagan and b) my libertarian political leaning. I may vote Libertarian again for similar reasons.

    Little known fact: Ed Clark’s Libertarian VP candidate in 1980 was David Koch of the infamous Koch brothers.

  3. It is exceedingly rare when one’s vote in a presidential election can have even the tiniest possibility of making a difference. The odds of winning the Powerball are far higher! ;-)

  4. Sure, only one vote is highly unlikely to make a difference, but collectively we can make a difference. (Or at least I hope we do.)

    Johnson was polling at 10% last time I looked, but previous Libertarian candidates have maxed out at 1% of the vote. So he could be a spoiler for one of the main party candidates.

  5. Were the Libertarian candidate to win the election, what do you think their likelihood of being able to push a particular agenda over the next four years? Obviously, he would be entirely dependent on Congress to pass any of his agenda items. Without the primary goal of thwarting the other party, is he likely to be more successful? Or to show the American public what a bad idea it was, do you think Congress will refuse to pass anything he wants over the next four years? I have no idea how this would play out.

  6. I really have trouble wrapping my head around “I plan to vote for Bernie or possibly Johnson”. I cannot imagine two more opposite candidates

  7. Well, reading MBT’s post just above, I do realize how they are similar – and maybe this is the reason why someone could vote for either – the liklihodd that either one would actually achieve anything while in office is about nil. So I guess if you want an even more extreme version of today’s status quo, a vote for either might work…

    It is just there is that pesky matter of executive orders, something Obama has finally figured out.

  8. I’ve posted here before how I’ve voted for Libertarian presidential candidates regularly for quite a while. The Electoral College system we have, and the heavily D state in which I live, mean my vote for a D or R candidate is pretty meaningless, but voting L helps keep the L candidates on future ballots. Voters like me have helped make Johnson a much more viable option than most third party candidates, who typically struggle just to get onto ballots.

  9. “I really have trouble wrapping my head around “I plan to vote for Bernie or possibly Johnson”. I cannot imagine two more opposite candidates”

    they are both big on protecting civil liberties

  10. Bernie is for a major expansion of the federal government. Johnson is for a major contraction of the federal government. Yeah, they both may be for protecting civil liberties but I bet they would go about doing it in very different ways.

  11. Bill Kristol says another candidate will be announcing this week. Such a strange election!

  12. I just can’t vote for either Hillary or Trump. Just. Can’t. Do. It. So I’m open to any alternative who doesn’t seem crazy or criminal. So sad Kasich didn’t catch on.

    My state will go Trump. No doubt about it. So I like Finn’s idea of voting for the libertarian candidate to keep them on the ballot in future elections.

  13. “Bill Kristol says another candidate will be announcing this week. Such a strange election!”

    I’m waiting for Billy Crystal to announce a candidate.

  14. This election cycle keeps reminding me of Brewster’s Millions and I want to vote “None of the above”! I am in a swing state so my vote should count but I really have no idea who I will vote for at this point, which means I will stay listed as an independent and will get overloaded with literature and robocalls.

  15. a busy day, so I’m just getting back to this with a few thoughts:
    -Bernie and Johnson are also similar on drugs/prison and foreign policy.
    -In terms of style/character considerations, Bernie and Johnson are similar in their earnestness and trustworthiness– and markedly different from the other two.
    -Johnson would govern like any other president, I think. In fact, it might be (far) less contentious in DC, if there’s a non-partisan adult in the room with the bickering children of Congress. (They wouldn’t stand to gain as much from opposing, for opposing’s sake.) And it would be really interesting to see where he would find common ground (and have to compromise) with various wings/parties.

  16. “Johnson would govern like any other president”. What presidents do is push for their policy preferences. I would assume that Johnson would push for Libertarian policies – if he didn’t, he wouldn’t be much of a Libertarian. Those policy preferences have consqeuences. Bush got us into a war in Iraq because he favored neoconservatism. He enacted major tax cuts because he believed that tax cuts would stimulate the economy. Obama put together healthcare reform because that was one of his policy preferences. The political principals that a president adheres to will mean a lot. I would assume that Johnson would aggresively push for various federal agencies to be eliiminated or drastically cut back. I would assume he would aggressively roll back regulation in many areas, because that is a key tenet of Libertarianism. He certainly would undo the ACA and most likely would want to further privatize healthcare. These are important areas in which he would want to do things VERY differently from Sanders.

    As for “trustworthiness” – I think a lot of that is media construct. OK, we can tell that Trump hates lots of people – he works hard at making that clear. But for the most part, candidates have an image they put forth, which the media then amplifies or tears down, depending on the zeitgeist. It is often only after a president’s time in office that we can see the reality.

  17. Right, I meant my comments about governance in a more general sense– that Johnson would certainly work for his policy preferences, but as always, his preferences would be moderated/modified by Congress’ preferences. As a result, any president will get (far) less than they want.

    I’m not sure what Clinton believes or why people support her on policy grounds, so I don’t know how she would be “moderated” by Congress. But in practice, this Congressional/Presidential dance is why current concerns about Sanders, Trump, and Johnson are exaggerated.

  18. Clinton has been very upfront about her policy preferences and has a long history in government. If you don’t know what she would do, you haven’t been paying much attention. She is pretty clearly going to continue Obama’s policies – even when they ran against each other, there wasn’t a lot of difference, policywise. She would continue with the ACA. She wants more money directed at early childhood education. She is more interventionist than Obama on foreign policy, but less so than Bush. I suspect she will be more hardline on the diplomatic front, but not as much as if it had been, say, Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz. I can’t compare her on foreign policy to Trump since I don’t think anyone has any idea what he would do – he probably doesn’t have any idea.

    And yes, I support Hillary even though I am more leftwing than she is. I am more leftwing than Obama too, but I have been pretty happy with the things he has done or tried to do, and I think she will continue that.

  19. Right– for better/worse– nothing particularly noteworthy or novel. She would dance with Congress, more or less continuing the same stuff. I guess it’s possible to be pleased or even excited about our national leadership for the last 8-16 years, but I can’t (nearly) join in that.

    I haven’t been satisfied with Obama on civil liberties or especially military policy, so I would welcome Sanders or Johnson on those– and be even more disturbed by a Clintonian move toward even more intervention.

  20. Trump talking about “my African-American” just makes me think of this:

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