What stands the test of time?

by Rhode

[I’m giving this potentially contentious topic a try in our regular section.  You all can decide if it can be discussed without too much politics involved.  Let’s see how it goes.  —  July]

I saw these two articles and thought they’d be interesting to discuss.

“The Breakfast Club in the age of #MeToo” (stolen from the New Yorker)

These are two accounts – one a review of a live script reading of the Breakfast Club and a personal account of the Brat Pack films (by Molly Ringwald) in the #MeToo era.

Rediscovering ‘The Breakfast Club’ With … Jesse Eisenberg?

What About “The Breakfast Club”?
Revisiting the movies of my youth in the age of #MeToo.

What iconic movies from your life stand the test of time? Could they be made today exactly as they were? What movies don’t stand up? Do you still enjoy those films and forgive them their transgressions? Or do you boycott them because they don’t stand up to our current societal “moral code”.

This could move to other things – renaming of places, removal of monuments, etc. But that could get very political very fast.

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128 thoughts on “What stands the test of time?

  1. We watched the Breakfast Club a few weeks ago. It was as silly as I remembered but I didn’t see anything too objectionable.

    We also watched My Beautiful Laundrette last week. That one has held up well – sensitive depiction of a gay romance which was pretty novel for its era (1985). It also touched heavily on immigrant issues and white nationalism in Britain, a reminder that we have seen these problems before.
    On the other hand, one of my all time favorite movies, The Fisher King, may be too much to watch in this era of constant mass shootings.

  2. Airplane! stands the test. I love that movie. The stuff that is vulgar and rude now was just as vulgar and rude then. And the stuff that was hilarious is still hilarious.

    Recently I was discussing Rocky Horror Picture Show with some friends. It was designed to make the audience uncomfortable, and I think it makes people more uncomfortable now. Or maybe everyone just got old.

  3. RMS – I also enjoyed Airplane. But I’m the sort of person who forgets all the inappropriate bits (really I just forget lots of things). So one night I suggested Airplane for our family movie night – kids were probably 6 and 11. I thought “it’s from the 70’s – probably much less risqué than anything that is out now.” Um no.

  4. What iconic movies from your life stand the test of time? Could they be made today exactly as they were?

    James Bond and Pussy Galore in Goldfinger? I’d say it stands the test of time because Pussy was a strong women. She was Auric Goldfinger’s personal pilot and the leader of Pussy Galore’s Flying Circus. The relationship between Bond and Pussy was a relationship of equals.

  5. When you get into the Roger Moore era you get more of the, “No James, no…(struggle struggle). Oh yes James, yes.” Which is now a no no.

  6. I am reading To Kill a Mockingbird. Basically, I will read every book assigned to my kids. It’s different for me because I didn’t have any of these in high school/college so I look at it from several different angles. I do think historical context is important to understand.

  7. The relationship between Bond and Pussy was a relationship of equals.

    Until he raped her and showed her that she wasn’t lesbian after all, she just needed a really good [vulgarity]! Yeah, no.

  8. No particular movie stands out for me. But, I’m not a huge movie fan either.

    Recently, a number of parents in my circle have started voicing more concerns about how they are now watching things through a different lens and are shocked by many things they previously thought were OK. They are talking about doing more screening of what their kids watch, which is a hoot considering most have no idea what can truly be watched on the internet and/or youtube.

  9. DD tried watching the Breakfast Club a couple of months ago and gave up after 20 minutes.

    I didn’t think Airplane! held up too well. Same with Caddyshack. Animal House is still great. DD and some of her friends were watching it last month, and one of them said “Didn’t we read this book in English?” Someone replied “That was Animal Farm.”

  10. My DD is currently reading Uglies for her 7th grade english class. She is the third kid in my family to have to read this book, and she hates it as much as her brothers. They all complained endlessly about it. I haven’t read it, but just the synopsis alone seems icky.

  11. Louise – +1 on historical context. We had a foreign exchange student here when they were reading A Separate Peace in middle school. Without having the historical context, it was a very hard book for her. She and I spent a lot of time talking about WW 2 and the US.

  12. Until he raped her and showed her that she wasn’t lesbian after all, she just needed a really good [vulgarity]!

    Eh…they are both powerful secret agents. She had more agency that you give her credit for.

  13. Forrest Gump has not held up well. Watched Cannonball Run a while back and it could never be made or even shown publicly now.

    Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure and Bogus Journey have both held up, which I never would have expected. (Bogus Journey is also the most surprisingly good sequel). Coming to America has also held up nicely, but it is a time capsule of the mid-1980’s and Eddie Murphy at his peak.

  14. The Godfather. It’s a period piece, which helps explain away the reference to “colored people” being animals, the violence, and the attitude towards women.

    Jaws. “We’re going to need a bigger boat”
    Can’t remember if there was any part of that film that wouldn’t work today, but they would probably have a better fake shark.

    Tootsie would not work, unfortunately. Still one of the funniest movies.

    Annie Hall, Manhattan — nope.

  15. Eh…they are both powerful secret agents. She had more agency that you give her credit for.

    (Lana from Archer mode): Nooooooope.

  16. I think Ferris Bueller has held up well. Sure, the technology dates itself, but the idea of having the ultimate Skip Day still stands. My kids love this movie. “they think he is a righteous dude”.

    My kids also love Christmas Vacation, Bill and Teds, and Goonies, and I love sitting down and watching it with them.

  17. Since we’re closing in on the holiday season, seems appropriate to mention “Baby It’s Cold Outside.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/19/baby-its-cold-outside-was-once-an-anthem-for-progressive-women-what-happened/?utm_term=.5bf54d1eb1ec

    From the Post article, “…the song’s historical context matters. At the time they were written, an unmarried woman staying the night at her beau’s was cause for scandal. It’s this fear we see reflected in the lyrics, more than any aversion on the part of the woman to staying the night.”

    And yet, “…in our time, when we hear that “the answer is no,” it means no. ”

    Also referenced in the article is a cringeworthy version done by Miss Piggy and Rudolph Nureyev on The Muppet Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EJ1SBAO1HU

  18. Christmas Vacation

    I love that movie! That along with Airport, Thomas Crown Affair and Ferris Bueller’s Day off are movies I can watch over and over and still enjoy.

  19. Forgot to mention that I still have (several versions of) “Baby It’s Cold Outside” on my holiday playlist! I appreciate the cleverness of the song and can understand it as a product of its time.

  20. The 80’s teen movie that I find the most problematic is actually Sixteen Candles. Long Duck Dong??? All the casual rape & rape jokes? UGH.

    I watched Heathers probably 50 times in the 90’s. I bet I would be horrified by it now on many, many levels.

    One movie I watched and still found somewhat surprisingly funny was Weekend at Bernie’s.

    Agree that Ferris Bueller is still great.

  21. I was going to say Forest Gump had held up well! Just watched that with my youngest. I’d say in general we’ve enjoyed all the non-John Hughes movies from the 80’s with the kids. (Ferris Bueller, Back to the Future, Bill & Ted, Ghostbusters…) John Hughes ones are way too focused on sex so we haven’t watched those with the kids.

    Other things that have stood the test of time: My MIL’s turkey tetrazzine recipe, the antique partner’s desk I’m writing this from, the name Elizabeth, and sterling silver flatware.

  22. When the kids were young we watched “Bad News Bears” with them and cringed when Walter Mattheau as the coach told one of his players to get him a beer – from the cooler at the end of the bench.

    We also talked up “My Cousin Vinny” telling the kids how funny the movie was. They would hear our family quote lines from it that were perfectly clean, and were excited to finally share it with them. We were horrified at the language and asked each other more than once, “Should we turn this off?”

  23. I watched My Cousin Vinny with my youngest (19) over the summer. Still hilarious. Maybe I’m too thick but I don’t remember any really bad/racy language. (So Swim, I don’t think your DS would be offended in the least…maybe for your DD’s sake?)

  24. Louise – +1 on historical context. We had a foreign exchange student here when they were reading A Separate Peace in middle school. Without having the historical context, it was a very hard book for her. She and I spent a lot of time talking about WW 2 and the US.

    I had the historical context and still thought that book was terrible.

  25. I was never a Breakfast Club fan, but I adored Pretty in Pink. I still love it. I think it holds up too, except that James Spader was maybe a little too old for the part.

    Yes to My Cousin Vinny and Ferris Bueller. I’ve seen both many, many times. I still love those two Chris Farley movies and the Naked Gun movies. The Naked Gun have a bit of vulgarity, but it’s also pretty silly.

  26. Oh, Spaceballs still stands, thanks to the renowned Star Wars franchise. My kids adore this movie, and a lot of things go over their head (Your schwartz is as big as mine).

  27. Scarlett beat me to it. I’d say period pieces like Godfather, Goodfellas, The Remains of the Day, etc. all hold up well. I think Jaws holds up well too.

  28. DD said – I had the historical context and still thought that book was terrible.

    I did not say the book was good – I personally hated it, but it is harder to understand if you have no historical context of WW 2 from a Western perspective, much less an American one. The teacher kept asking all these questions that relied on some of that context. The kids who’d been there in 4th or 5th (can’t recall exact grade now) did fairly in-depth projects about WW 2, but no our exchange student.

  29. AustinMom – I loved A Separate Peace! I hated Billy Budd, part of my required reading BITD, if that helps. Another book that benefits from some historical context.

  30. On Ferris Bueller… Thanks Ivy for the link to McSweeneys… https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/ferris-buellers-laid-off

    I actually never thought that move held up well. It’s still funny and I’ll definitely watch it time and again. It could almost be remade, except mom and dad would have had the “find my phone” app running on Ferris’s phone so he’d be caught before he left Cameron’s house.

    The American President (23 years old now) has definitely held up.

    Sadly, another great Aaron Sorkin production, Sports Night, really doesn’t. While the comedy and the writing does, 85% of the show is in the editing bay where they are splicing tape (literally). It could be remade though, and I wish it would be in some ways.

    Ghostbusters holds up. Back to the Future does as well (forgetting the car and dated clothes).

  31. The 1970s was supposedly a “golden age” of film. I saw Chinatown when I was a young adult and practically passed out from boredom. Sorry, even incest can’t keep me awake through a lot of boring white-guy politics about water rights. I don’t know if I’d enjoy it more now or not, but I haven’t been able to force myself to watch it again.

    The first Superman with Christopher Reeves is still charming, though now the special effects look a bit lame.

  32. So as a follow-up (can you hijack your own post? oh well)….

    Early this morning on Tuesday’s open forum, I wrote that I was accepted into a state-wide leadership program. This is super exciting because (1) they only take established leaders in the state and (2) they have few (maybe zero) scientists in this cohort. So I’m super excited (and nervous) to be the voice of science (’cause really, I only live in 1-2 small bubbles of the world as a whole).

    Anyway – I needed to find the rest of the tuition money (nearly $1000). I am happy to announce that I was given verbal confirmation that my company will figure it out (we are a very small non-profit with a tight budget). I practically broke down crying to my boss. I really am honored that they think this highly of me. After a few tumultuous years, I really wasn’t sure where I stood, even though I’ve been shouldering much of my program and my boss really likes me.

  33. When I was a kid, my parents and really my grandmother & my aunts and uncles were always watching Bob Newhart Show reruns. Jokes and quotes were huge in my family growing up, and everyone always wants to get their picture taken with his office building in Chicago when they visit.

    I hadn’t seen the show since I was a kid, but I made DH watch it one night not that long ago. The episode was all about how Emily (Bob’s wife) got a very PT job, and it was ruining Bob’s life because he had to make his own dinner one night a week. The show was very clearly in Bob’s corner. It was so old fashioned and sexist, that we were just looking at each other in disbelief.

    We were really enjoying the Sunday night reruns of Cheers though until our local station stopped playing them.

  34. Blazing Saddles was fun… but really doesn’t work today “A black sheriff?”

    Halloween and the Exorcist still work…

  35. Rhode, can you have the nonprofit you work for set up a GoFundMe for the tuition allowing its valuable employee to participate in this leadership program, thus making connections with Important People in support of Science and the nonprofit’s particular mission? Or do a one-off campaign through their preferred platform. And then give us the link so we can donate!

  36. “A black sheriff?” Though I recognize that is Brooks’ throwing one back to himself in Robin Hood: Men in Tights.

  37. HM – I’ll suggest it. Not sure if we can (we have some very funky guidelines about fundraising in any form…).

  38. Congrats Rhode!
    Frasier, which had several gay actors and at least one gay recurring character, would probably not pass muster today with the casual gay jokes.

    Agree on Bob Newhart. I remember loving it as a kid but it did not hold up well.

  39. The other night DH and I started watching an old Magnum PI. We had to stop after 10 minutes. It moved slow slowly. There was so much talking, not enough movement. My memory of loving Magnum is a bit tarnished now. I’m enjoying the new episodes though.

  40. Rhode, that is wonderful news. Congratulations! Knowing that the past few years have not been the easiest for you, I would say you are a shining example of someone who “persisted”. This new opportunity seems like a platform that will enable you to move ahead in various ways, both professionally and personally. Very exciting!

  41. Lemon, yeah, tons of old shows were practically slideshows rather than TV. DH still loves Columbo, but it’s too slow for me.

  42. We watched part of Sixteen Candles a few months ago, and it is really bad. Breakfast Club and Ferris are much better, but DD wasn’t interested in either of those movies. The remake of Father of the Bride and FOB part II do seem to hold up. DH watches Rudy, The Godfather and Shawshank all of the time because some movies just seem to be playing every week on cable. Movies that I like to watch over and over include: Grease, You’ve Got Mail, When Harry Met Sally, and Sound of Music.

  43. Lauren – we just watched FOB and FOB II on TBS or something the other weekend. We were both doing some housework during nap and it was perfect to leave on. So funny.

    We were discussing this while watching MASH on a marathon this weekend. Much of that show still holds up, but so much is almost icky at times. A bit too much with Hawkeye’s pursuit of the nurses. But then there are gems, like the male nurse being reduced to an orderly, and the female nurse studying to become a doctor. I was struck by the episode where Margaret thought she was pregnant. Many women continued to be nurses through and after pregnancy, yet the army wouldn’t allow it.

  44. Gone with the Wind is a tough one to watch today on many levels. Not just the Scarlett carried up the staircase scene, but noble Ashley riding with the precursor to the KKK and a lot else. Try It Happened One Night for a Clark Gable fix. And of course one of my personal faves, 7 Brides for 7 Brothers, has a musical number, Sobbin Women, and subsequent actions based on carrying off women against their will in warfare.

  45. Rhode – thanks for sharing the update. That is good news.

    My experience with the bat mitzvah reception was a little like the wedding and the nursery. I didn’t have a planner, but I have DD and she has big ideas like Franck.

  46. I was trying to explain Gone with the Wind to DD. She just didn’t get it, and she could NOT believe that the book or the movie was a big deal. It is almost painful to watch in 2018.

  47. On the flip side, for old movies with females who triumph, Audrey Hepburn in Wait Until Dark wipes the floor with modern female protagonists, and even tops IMO Sigouney Weaver in her underwear in Alien.

  48. It’s a bit unfair in The Awful Truth that Irene Dunne’s apparent escapade gets carefully explained away as actually innocent, but the movie never requires any kind of explanation of Cary Grant’s shenanigans (if he wasn’t really in Florida like he told his wife then where was he?) – still worth watching, though. The Lady Eve is a bit more equitable in getting across the message that he should have had more faith in her.

  49. I tried to get the kids into Monkey Business (Cary Grant/Ginger Rogers) but it moved too slowly for them. And now what was HILARIOUS when I was 12 is much less so!

  50. The Palm Beach Story is eternal and wonderful, despite a little sexism.

    Gerry Jeffers : I might marry again and I might not. Maybe I’ll become an adventuress.

    Tom Jeffers : I can just see you on a 26 foot boat.

    Gerry Jeffers : You’re thinking of an adventurer. An adventuress never travels on anything less than a 300 foot long yacht with an 80 man crew.

  51. Fred – we watched My Cousin Vinny when the kids were too small to hear vulgarity. Otherwise, it’s classic and still stands the test of time.

  52. We were good little totebaggers and did our best to keep anything that smacked of vulgarity/profanity out of the house. Now that they are 18 and 14 that battle has been long lost.

  53. We watched Parent Trap about a year ago with the boys and my nieces and all of them loved it. The Lindsay Lohan version.

    Congrats Rhode!

  54. Congratulations Rhode!

    Our kids also enjoyed My Cousin Vinnie (although I’d forgotten about the amount of swearing – but it’s not like they’d never heard it at home), Ferris Bueller, and Back to the Future. Another move that held up well and the kids (and parents!) enjoyed is Galaxy Quest with Tim Allen, Sigourney Weaver, Alan Rickman and Tony Shalhoub.

    And I remember watching the remake of Freaky Friday (the one with Jamie Leigh Curtis) and we enjoyed that.

  55. I remember watching Pretty Woman in college, in a public space (it had probably been out several years at that point.) A Serious Upperclass Woman saw what we were doing and said, derisively, “oh, you haven’t read Backlash yet.” With the implication that once we got a bit more feminism, we could never enjoy the story again. I got a bunch more feminism and I still love the movie.

    Also, I’ve always loved that it was rated R in the US, but “approrpriate for 7 and up” in Europe. We tend to worry a lot more about our 8-16 year olds seeing some skin, I guess.

  56. “One movie I watched and still found somewhat surprisingly funny was Weekend at Bernie’s.”

    Which henceforth will always bring to mind Brett Kavanaugh and his calendar.

  57. “You’re thinking of an adventurer. An adventuress never travels on anything less than a 300 foot long yacht with an 80 man crew.”

    Sounds kinda like Rhett.

  58. I watched Pretty in Pink again recently. A few realizations — Her prom dress is still awful. Annie Potts is the best character that I never noticed before. Why did I not realize that Duckie is the gay best friend?

  59. I’ve previously synopsized Astaire/Rogers movies here:

    Their characters have a chance meeting; his character is smitten, hers is not. He stalks her. They dance, she falls in love. Shenanigans follow, they dance more, and end up together.

  60. “one of my personal faves, 7 Brides for 7 Brothers, has a musical number, Sobbin Women, and subsequent actions based on carrying off women against their will in warfare.”

    A lot of the old musicals have plots that don’t hold up well. My Fair Lady and Finian’s Rainbow come to mind as examples, as does Bing Crosby in blackface in Holiday Inn.

    But given the technical advance of the fast forward function, you can easily skip the plots, and the singing and dancing has held up very well.

  61. totally off topic, but i have to decide within 24 hours…Has anyone stored stem cells for their kids from a tooth extraction? I am thinking about this for DD because we didn’t store any cord blood or tissue.

  62. I need to watch one of my favorites, Dave, again to see how it’s held up and how relevant it is today. My guess is that it may be even more relevant in today’s political climate.

    The scene in that movie when Bob tells Dave he can save the homeless part of a bill if he can find $650M, and Dave calls Murray to see if they can find $650M to cut from the budget, was something I could identify with.

  63. I watched Pretty in Pink again recently. A few realizations — Her prom dress is still awful. Annie Potts is the best character that I never noticed before. Why did I not realize that Duckie is the gay best friend?

    Lol- yes- that dress was so shapeless! I read that in the original, Andie ends up with Duckie and the test audience hated it, so they rewrote the ending so she gets back with Blaine.

    I still like the original Karate Kid too.

  64. We got the new furnace installed today and they put in a nest-type thermostat. I have to say it is pretty cool. I like the home/away sensor on it. And the heat is definitely better, especially in the family room. It’s still not great there – they said it’s about 80 degrees coming out of the vents compared to 92 degrees in other rooms, but it definitely feels warmer than before.

  65. Lauren, we didn’t bank cord blood from any tooth (no extractions from either kid yet), but we banked their cord blood.

    I didn’t even know there are enough stem cells in a tooth to be worth saving.

  66. Lauren – We never stored any of those things. I guess we were just ahead of any of that being a thing.

  67. Perhaps I’m not a good judge of what’s held up. When watching movies I’ve seen before, especially those I’ve seen many times, I tend to enter a bit of a time warp.

    OTOH, that would tend to suggest that if I think a movie hasn’t held up well, it really hasn’t.

    I think The Big Sleep has held up, but I think RMS might disagree, especially the Dorothy Malone scene.

  68. MASH would be verboten because the Corporal Klinger character tried to get a medical discharge by dressing as a woman.

  69. Yeah, that’s a dumb scene, but I still love The Big Sleep. And the movie is better than the homophobic novel.

  70. I tried to watch Gone With The Wind when it was on TV in the 70’s, but it was too painful to watch even then. I can’t even imagine why anyone would ever have liked it.

    OTOH, Galaxy Quest rocks!

    And as for the slowness of older shows – boy, I miss that. For a while, we were all watching old episodes of Emergency, until Netflix got rid of those shows. It was so nice and laid back, I think probably more like the real world. But man, was that a sexist show! It was really educational for my kids to see how much people were struggling with the idea of women doing anything professional back then.

  71. I was just watching a bit of GWTW a week or so ago when it popped up one Amazon Prime, after having watched it in its entirety maybe 10 or so years ago, in chunks of 10 to 20 minutes while doing stuff like cleaning up the kitchen.

    I guess it did drag on, but I liked that part of it– it lent well to watching while doing other stuff, and I could hit the 5 second rewind button if I missed something that seemed important.

    And of course it is relevant to this group.

  72. Congrats Rhode!

    Lauren, I’ve never heard of getting stem cells from a tooth extraction. We did bank the kids’ cord blood but we donated it about 5 years ago because we decided it wasn’t worth paying the fees anymore.

    I agree with a lot of movies that have been mentioned. I’ll add The Princess Bride as another that has held up extremely well.

  73. Lauren – we did cord blood for one kid…and still have it. It’s time, I think, to donate it (or at least stop paying for the storage).

  74. I tried to watch Gone With The Wind when it was on TV in the 70’s, but it was too painful to watch even then.

    Lower lip quivering… but, but…

  75. An adventuress never travels on anything less than a 300 foot long yacht with an 80 man crew.”

    Sounds kinda like Rhett.

  76. Finn – I totally agree Mary Poppins has held up well.

    Question for the group on a semi-related topic. DH and I just finished watching the BBC’s The Bodyguard (which TC Mama mentioned on an earlier thread). It was great. We haven’t watched many shows together (if you don’t count soccer) and I’m thinking it would be fun to watch another series together. Any recommendations?

  77. I don’t know enough movies to be able to participate in this conversation.

    In other news, holy crap this parenting-a-kid-who-is-dating thing is hard! Nothing has ever had such a strong pull on him.

  78. Both the WSJ and the NY Times have unflattering cover stories about Facebook. I wonder what’s up?

  79. RMS – the tech companies that are 15 years old have to grow up. Where once there were fewer people and a loose corporate culture was fine, now it’s not so and missteps get you in front of Congress and the regulators. It’s less about changing the world and how to keep the revenue stream going.

  80. A Fifth of Private Colleges Report First-Year Discount Rate of 60 Percent, Moody’s Says

    Nearly a fifth of private colleges have discounted their first-year tuition by at least 60 percent, significantly more than last year, according to a new report from Moody’s Investors Service.

    The results of the credit-rating agency’s annual tuition survey, released on Wednesday, illustrate the pressures private colleges are facing to undercut their sticker prices by offering more-generous financial-aid packages to attract a static number of 18- to 24-year-old students. The average discount rate nationwide — or the average amount of tuition revenue a college devotes to financial aid through grants — has been steadily climbing for at least a decade.

    https://www.chronicle.com/article/A-Fifth-of-Private-Colleges/245092?cid=db&elqTrackId=7996dea5433f473b8057ea58bcb8cef9&elq=dfa460bd2dd64ed092df954c6292ffb1&elqaid=21401&elqat=1&elqCampaignId=10227

  81. Agree with all of Rhett’s suggestions. We also like House of Cards but it is a bit dark for some. :)

    The Muppet Christmas Carol is another perennial favorite. When it was on TV when I was a kid (teenager?) we taped it and then would always fast forward through Belle’s super long and boring song. And then lo and behold, when I was watching it on TCM with my siblings a few years ago they had CUT Belle’s whole song! :)

  82. SSM – DH and I have started watching Suits on Amazon Prime. I find it entertaining. Each episode ends in a way that I want to keep watching. Not in a cliffhanger hand of ending, but something about the way it written you just want to know what is going to happen next.

  83. Pretty Woman and Dirty Dancing were movies I recall watching with my friends. It was a big deal as Hollywood movies were shown only in a few theaters. Seems very quaint at how restricted things were at that time in the home country.

  84. Pretty Woman and Dirty Dancing were both movies that I saw in the theater with friends. None of us really understood what was happening in Dirty Dancing with the abortion – we were 11, and it went way over our heads. Pretty Woman I saw in a big group for someone’s 14th birthday, and in retrospect it is kind of funny that all the parents thought that was a great idea – a bunch of 14 year old girls watching a movie about a hooker. I don’t know that my friends would be hot about that idea for their own 14 year old girls.

    I still love Clueless, but it is really of “my time” too.

  85. I have Clueless in my queue. I never saw it, and I think my daughter would like it. I really wish I could find a version of Valley Girl to stream but it doesn’t seem to be out there.

  86. Rhett, so true -academic pricing is as absurd as hospital pricing. Still, the discount price system (ahem, merit scholarships) has served us well…

  87. Still, the discount price system (ahem, merit scholarships) has served us well…

    Do I remember that you were very concerned about that due to your son’s uneven grades? I’d be interested to know how the actual experience differed from what you had expected at the beginning.

  88. We could always afford CUNY and SUNY. My big concern was not the money but whether he could get in.

  89. “And then lo and behold, when I was watching it on TCM with my siblings a few years ago they had CUT Belle’s whole song! :)”

    If you buy the DVD it’s on the theatrical version. The other version cuts that whole song out. My family has never been so thrilled. Our Xmas Eve tradition is to watch that movie. Without Belle’s song.

  90. My big concern was not the money but whether he could get in.

    That’s what I mean. I think you mentioned that not only could he get in the deans were calling him to try and convince him to attend.

  91. Golden Girls has totally held up as well. I used to get sucked in to the reruns on weekends/evenings. I have a tentative list of friends who are allowed to live in my “Golden Girls house” when I am old.

  92. qqqq – my BFF and I have always had each other on that Golden Girls list. A routine text is “is it time for the lanai” or “West Palm here we come”. Except now we are both married. I”m not sure we want to spend our Golden years with the husbands! Ha! They’ll have to get their own house next door.

  93. Rhett – There were only a couple of SUNY/CUNY campuses that would have fit Mooshi’s son. Admissions are extremely competitive for those. A bit like getting into the desired state schools in Texas or Calif or Virginia and others. The hurdles vary by state. The MA state system is very different.

  94. MM’s son received several nice offers IIRC. From afar I didn’t understand her concern, but it’s always different when it’s your own kid.

  95. We found an interesting glitch with the new thermostat. It has an at-home sensor on it and if it thinks you aren’t home it will change the setting to the away temp instead of the home temp, and vice versa. The catch is that if you set it to go to a higher temp before you wake up, there is no activity by the sensor so it thinks you’re not home and doesn’t turn on. So we had to turn the sensor detection off.

  96. “the discount price system (ahem, merit scholarships) has served us well…”

    Not so well for us.

  97. “From afar I didn’t understand her concern”

    I could empathize; it’s because of the lack of transparency in college admissions.

  98. Finn, I find it challenging to get a discount or a sale on some designer brands. The college that your DS attends has absolutely no reason to offer a discount when so many people would be willing to pay full price or more.

  99. DD– how about if you have your Roomba work when you want your temp setting to go up?

    I like the creativity, but it’s a model that doesn’t have a timer function. And we would have to set up barriers to keep it in the area by the thermostat and make sure it doesn’t get stuck somewhere.

  100. @DD – There is a Nest setting that will override the sensor. I think if you go to “settings” you need to pick “Early On”.

  101. “The college that your DS attends has absolutely no reason to offer a discount ”

    They offer huge discounts, but not based on merit.

  102. Ivy, it’s not a Nest brand. But I’ll see if there is a way to override it for one time period or something.

  103. It’s kind of like complaining that the your friend went to a used car lot and was able to get a 07 Honda Accord for $400 of the blue book value and you couldn’t get the Tesla dealer to budge a dollar!

    Also, if I recall, Finn Jr. had an option to go to a school tuition-free? So, then, I think the system served you quite well.

  104. But I’ll see if there is a way to override it for one time period or something.

    I called the company and there’s no work around, it’s an all or nothing thing. So much for using the occupancy sensor.

  105. “The college that your DS attends has absolutely no reason to offer a discount when so many people would be willing to pay full price or more.”

    The fact that they offer huge discounts to many students suggests that they do have a reason, or reasons, to offer those discounts, even though they could fill their classes without offering any.

  106. I disagree. I bet they could fill an entire class with qualified students that can afford to pay full freight. Very few schools could do this, but this school could it. They won’t because it would only allow the wealthiest students to attend.

  107. “They won’t because it would only allow the wealthiest students to attend.”

    Which would be one reason for offering a discount.

    I was countering your statement that they have absolutely no reason to offer a discount. Perhaps you meant they have absolutely no reason to offer a discount based on merit, which is also their position.

    BTW, not giving any discount wouldn’t necessarily only allow the wealthiest to attend. Kids with some combination of Pell Grants, outside scholarships, loans, and/or work-study could attend. E.g., a winner of the Gates scholarship wouldn’t be among the wealthiest of students, but could attend.

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