2018 Politics Open Thread, May 27- Jun 2

“I’m sick and tired of old men sitting around in air conditioned rooms here in Washington, dreaming up wars for young men to die in.” — George McGovern

Memorial Day is a time to remember and honor those who died in military service.     In my (Mémé’s) opinion, there is no greater honor than to stop adding to their number.

 

 

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29 thoughts on “2018 Politics Open Thread, May 27- Jun 2

  1. So, I didn’t know that up til 1974, House votes were not publicly counted. So the members of the House were free to cut deals without their constituents knowing how they had voted on particular issues. Now of course that was bad in some ways, but apparently the new transparency has had a lot of bad results.

    With few exceptions, the Class of ’74 did not seek office to reform an outdated Congress, but upon their arrival, they quickly learned a key lesson: without changes to traditions like the seniority system that disproportionately rewarded conservatives in single-party districts, few of their policy objectives would be achievable. However, the reforms they helped implement not only ended the deference to seniority, but also redistributed power within the House, to the elected leadership and also to increasingly autonomous subcommittees on which more junior members would play an influential role. The meetings, deliberations and votes of those panels, and the House floor itself, were opened to increased public scrutiny and accountability thanks to greater press access and recorded voting.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/26/congress-broke-american-politics-218544

  2. From Milo’s link:

    “Roseanne’s Twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values, and we have decided to cancel her show,” the network said in a statement.

    That didn’t take long. Her statement was completely inexcusable and appalling, no question, and the network probably made the right decision, though there are a lot of people other than Roseanne who will be affected by the cancellation and who bear no responsibility for her nastiness.

    But wondering whether the network is now taking the position that all Twitter comments by anyone connected with one of their shows must reflect the network’s “values.” Whatever they are.

  3. So what’s behind the thread that got all this started? Are Rosanne and people like here thinking there is some conspiracy against the white working class?

  4. I mean Soros was born in 1931 and Budapest fell to the Red Army in December of ’44 when he would have been 13.

  5. Edit: Budapest was encircled in Dec of ’44 but the Red Army laid siege until 13 Feb of ’45 when it finally fell.

  6. Rhett,
    There was probably very little thinking involved. Drinking, perhaps.

  7. But wondering whether the network is now taking the position that all Twitter comments by anyone connected with one of their shows must reflect the network’s “values.” Whatever they are.

    Clearly not, because she had previously had some twitter comments people were grumbling about and the network let it go. This particular one couldn’t have been more overt in its racism – hard to let that go.

  8. There was probably very little thinking involved.

    There is a lot of thinking involved in the conspiracy theories that got this whole thing started.

  9. No, I meant “thinking” before sending the tweet.
    And even with the conspiracy, it seems to involve more hating and brooding than thinking.

  10. “The storyline between Roseanne and her sister, Jackie (Laurie Metcalf), was designed to reflect the debate among Trump’s working-class base and spur a larger discussion. The May 22 season finale, likewise, set the stage to explore a larger debate about health care in America.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-canceled-at-abc-racist-tweet-1115412

    IMO, one of the reasons that the networks are struggling to hold fickle viewers is that the folks behind the shows are trying to “spur a larger discussion” and to “explore a larger debate.” It’s a TV show. The audience is looking for entertainment. Roseanne had high ratings, but perhaps those ratings would have diminished when the novelty wore off in subsequent seasons.

  11. Is anyone suprised about Roseanne Barr? This is the lady that called Israel a Nazi State, and stated that 9/11 was an inside job. She has a lengthy history of promoting crackpot conspiracy theories and saying ugly things. The bigger question to me is – why was she ever put back on the air?

  12. The bigger question to me is – why was she ever put back on the air?

    It was a popular show then and it was a popular show this year. That pretty much explains it. I would say the big change is social media. I bet being a manager, publicist, producer etc was easier when you had more control over the talent’s access to the media.

    I’m sure all kinds of celebrities were going on crazy rants in bars and at parties in the 70s but they couldn’t tweet it and others could tweet/record it.

  13. Rhett, she was not saying that stuff privately. Much of it was on Twitter or blogs

  14. Much of it was on Twitter or blogs

    Exactly, in the old days we would never have know.

  15. “IMO, one of the reasons that the networks are struggling to hold fickle viewers is that the folks behind the shows are trying to “spur a larger discussion” and to “explore a larger debate.” It’s a TV show.”

    ITA.

  16. I mentioned last week that the CFA near me had been advertising $15 an hour for a while.

    But there’s a huge difference in level of service between CFA and other fast food; honestly, CFA has better service than just about any fast-casual or even casual restaurant. For example, I was in Noodles and Company the other night with my family. We order, take our table tent number, get our drinks, sit down. The person brings our food out and asks if we need anything else. I said “Oh, yeah, we don’t have silverware.”

    She says “It’s over by the drinks” and motions to the beverage dispenser.

    She was right, of course, and I should have seen it, and it’s not her job to get it because it’s not a full-serve restaurant. But it was still slightly jarring, because you would never hear that at Chick-fil-A, which is supposed to be a step down from Noodles.

  17. Milo – at least the Noodles has silverware out. I always have to ask at the counter, because they never bring all the silverware. And typically the counter is so busy that I have wait, and wait, and wait. Actually, I haven’t been to Noodles in at least 6 months, if not longer. The last time we went the place looked like a disaster and the food was so-so.

    CFA and Culver’s own the market in fast food/casual customer service. In general their employees are older. I’m not sure what Culver’s pays, but I have to imagine it is higher than McD.

  18. The tariffs imposed as of ~8 hours ago really bother me. Maybe it’s my ‘privilege’ showing through, along with the fact that I work in a generally recession-proof industry, but it just seems so stupid. IMO, and those of many others more skilled and experienced at analyzing the impacts of such tariffs, this is NOT going to drive the 3% economic (GDP) growth the president has as a goal…the action(s) will have the opposite impact, to hamper growth. I’m just not getting it.

  19. I’m just not getting it.

    It’s all about relative status. Globalization has made some much better off and others much worse off. This is an attempt to change that. I’d argue that with US industrial production at a record high the far bigger issue is automation but no one wants to talk about that. Voters find the bad foreigners narrative much more appealing and easier to understand.

  20. The WSJ editorial board is certainly against it, today’s editorial took up must more space than usual.

  21. The WSJ editorial board is certainly against it, today’s editorial took up must more space than usual.

  22. Tariffs are not a privilege vs no privilege issue. The tariffs will help both non-privileged (steelworkers) and privileged (steel company CEOs) and hurt both as well (workers in industries that will be hurt by more expensive steel, everyone who needs to buy a car).

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