Open thread

by Grace aka costofcollege

We have an open thread on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.  Maybe you want to discuss race relations or a similar topic?

Or maybe you’d like to share your profound thoughts on the meaning of making your bed.

Do successful people make their beds? What I learned after a year investigating this trendy life hack

Or what else is on your mind?

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60 thoughts on “Open thread

  1. Or we could discuss the post-trendiness of the word “hack” and the term “life hack”. I generally wave away people’s objections to “hacking”, but even if that no longer means a shortcut that deviates from the norm, I find it awkward to apply to a life habit my mother instilled in us. Her mother made her bed too, but not with the crisp hospital corners my mom learned in college, getting her RN, that she later taught us. If making your bed is a life hack, then so are refilling the TP dispenser, emptying the dishwasher, and lining your trash can with a plastic bag.

  2. I used to make my bed, but when I got married and Mr WCE got up after I did and declined to make the bed, I stopped. My life hasn’t really changed either way. If I ever become single, I’ll probably make the bed again.

  3. Wait, I thought correlation = causation. Ergo, WCE, failing to make your bed resulted in four children.

  4. I don’t do fancy bed making but I straighten the sheets, covers and pillows. It takes a few minutes. It is a habit from growing up. Once the household was awake, beds had to be made.
    Only when I roomed with certain roommates did I see an unmade bed. Most of my suite mates made their beds and some went over the top with a bunch of pillows and stuffed animals on their beds.

  5. I wondered how I wound up with four kids…

    Growing up there was a family with 10 kids and the mom’s joke was, “I wish we could figure out what’s causing it.”

  6. My two boys don’t make their beds, and I don’t push them. It is a battle not worth fighting. If they want their sheets covered in cat hair, hey.

  7. I make the bed only when I’m staying at someone else’s house. Our cleaners change and make our bed each week and we whine regularly about how “difficult” it is for us to get into bed those nights–we have to remove all the blasted pillows, pull down the covers, yank the tightly-tucked top sheet loose… The horror!

    I know I made my bed during freshman year of college, when I had a roommate. For 2 years of law school, I had a murphy bed, but I didn’t so much “make” it as I crammed the thing into the wall, sheets still on. Can’t recall any bed making rule when I was a kid, so I think I’m 2 for 50 on years of this chore in my lifetime.

    I regret I suffered through the nonsense of matching up socks for far more than 2 years, until a cousin told me how much free time she had created by tossing them all in a drawer, unmatched. I immediately stole that “life hack” and ended up with *minutes* of extra time each year! Now DH does all my laundry, and he insists on matching all socks, despite my urgings that he tuck those precious seconds away for a better purpose.

  8. I make four beds every day. I can’t stand to see them unmade and I hate getting in an unmade bed.

  9. My kids don’t match up their socks, and my H mostly solved the problem by only buying one style. However, once or twice both H and I have left the house wearing a different shoe on each foot. Oh well.

    I like a made bed, but I’m like WCE in that there’s still a body on the bed when I get up. And I’m not going to go back later in the day to make the bed because that seems like a waste, although “making the bed” means merely fluffing up the comforter and arranging the pillows.

  10. DW is of the “can’t stand getting into an unmade bed” ilk. But making the bed is (5 days of 7) just pulling up the sheet + comforter + bedspread and fluffing the pillows. 1x/wk there’s the full tucking in as Ris describes because the cleaning person is coming that day and 1x/wk is kinda in between because the clean sheets need to be put back on the bed.

  11. I wonder how much the need for the bed to be made varies. If Mr WCE sleeps by himself, it looks like a log was placed on one side of the bed. When I get up in the morning, it looks like Frodo Baggins relived Lord of the Rings in his sleep.

  12. We don’t make the bed in the morning – DH makes it around me as I go to bed at night. The kids never make their beds either, but we are trying to get them to.

    I do match up socks – otherwise how will you know which socks you can throw away for lack of a mate? :)

  13. Risley, my getting ready to go anywhere is timed to the split second. If I had to search for a sock mate, the whole show would collapse. Because I usually hang my laundry to dry, I match up socks while I’m hanging them.

    “I do match up socks – otherwise how will you know which socks you can throw away for lack of a mate? :)” The horror! I carefully set those looking for their partners aside. Sometimes I have multiple “setting aside” places and realize I’ve kept partners separated for years.

    I don’t like getting into a messy bed, but don’t care if it’s made in the morning or if I just straighten it before getting into it. My son is getting big enough that his tossing and turning untucks everything, and often results in covers landing on the floor, so he wakes up cold. He is becoming interested in making the bed the same way I am–so he can at least start with everything in the right place.

    Kate, my Swiss mom made everyone’s beds. You are the first American mom I know to do that.

  14. We (me and kids 14, 12 and 1) saw Hidden Figures. It was a great movie, especially as it included a strong message about the importance of the calculus track.

  15. I actually enjoy making beds. I make ours and the kids’ every morning. So satisfying!

    I can’t stand getting into an unmade bed. And for the kids, I used to make them do it until after a couple of weeks I realized I genuinely missed doing it. Getting their bed all ready and comfy for them feels like such an act of affection. So I told them to stop and I took it back over.

    Laundry, on the other hand…

  16. My house is much more organized because my inlaws live with us. It forces me into organizing, cleaning and laundry on a more regular basis. MIL considers her primary job to be running a household smoothly so she probably does as good a job of cleaning and organizing and food prep as a professional. It does take up time though. My efforts are decent but I don’t have the energy and bandwidth to clean out every speck of dust.

  17. Rhett – she does do a lot of the cooking and she wants to do the cleaning for the part of the house that she uses. Her standards are impossible really, so I’ve let it go. I would hire a professional cleaners like most Totebaggers but it would result in constant complaining that they don’t do a good enough job, so I said it that’s what you want to do, have at it.

  18. I can’t stand getting into an unmade bed.

    Me too, but I don’t make it until I’m ready to get in. I just pull the comforter up in the morning. When I’m ready for bed, I smooth everything out because wrinkles drive me nuts.

  19. I discovered that when I come into the bedroom late in the day and the bed is made, life feels orderly. It makes me happy. So now I make the bed and open the shutters every morning. That coupled with making sure all of the evidence of breakfast and lunch-packing is cleared away before I go to work makes such a difference in my mood when I get home.

  20. I am one of those who likes to make the bed. It makes me feel like I am getting off to a good start, so I do it probably 6 days out of 7. However, if I don’t make it by 2:00, I don’t do it at all. I guess I give myself permission to let it go, and say, too late to make it now!

  21. I can’t stand sleeping in a bed with the sheets tucked in. I have to pull them out before sleeping, otherwise I feel trapped.

  22. I think this is open to non-subscribers. It’s a list of the colleges and universities that failed the “gainful employment” rule.

    The gainful employment regulation requires vocational programs at for-profit higher education institutions and nondegree programs at community colleges to meet minimum thresholds with respect to the debt-to-income rates of their graduates. Programs that fail to meet these minimum requirements could lose access to all federal financial aid for a period, putting them at a higher risk of closing.

    So it’s mostly for-profit colleges, but in a quick skim I noted that USC’s grad certificate in “music technology” made the list. I have no idea what music technology is.

    http://www.chronicle.com/article/here-are-the-programs-that/238851

  23. “I make four beds every day. I can’t stand to see them unmade and I hate getting in an unmade bed.”

    Me too (2 beds). Although it takes less than a minute – we don’t have decorative pillows, just ones we use (3 each), so it’s mostly pulling up the sheets & duvet and then putting the pillows back on top, maybe with a quick fluff. There’s no re-tucking going on. I make DS’s bed if I notice that it is unmade. We decided that he isn’t required to make his own bed because it doesn’t really matter, but I straighten it for him out of my own neurosis if I am in there.

  24. “I can’t stand to see them unmade and I hate getting in an unmade bed.”

    Same here! One DS makes the bed and one does not.

  25. we don’t have decorative pillows, just ones we use (3 each)

    How do you sleep with three pillows?

    I can’t stand sleeping in a bed with the sheets tucked in.

    Is there any one who actually likes it?

  26. Subaru is awesome. I got a call yesterday from someone at the dealership who said Subaru started a new program where you can come in withing 45 days of purchase and they’ll have someone show you how to use everything and answer questions, and they’ll give you a $50 gas card. And even better, since we live close enough to the dealer, they’ll come to our house to do it. So the guy came last night and spent about 25 minutes showing us a lot of stuff we’ve never tried or figured out, and we got $50 worth of gas for our time. Can’t beat that.

  27. Speaking of sheets I was waking the dog past the Frette store and they had this add in their window.

  28. The gainful employment regulation requires vocational programs at for-profit higher education institutions and nondegree programs at community colleges to meet minimum thresholds with respect to the debt-to-income rates of their graduates. Programs that fail to meet these minimum requirements could lose access to all federal financial aid for a period, putting them at a higher risk of closing.

    You’ll be happy to know that Republicans in Congress have already introduced legislation to repeal that burdensome government regulation.

  29. The gainful employment regulation requires vocational programs at for-profit higher education institutions and nondegree programs at community colleges to meet minimum thresholds with respect to the debt-to-income rates of their graduates. Programs that fail to meet these minimum requirements could lose access to all federal financial aid for a period, putting them at a higher risk of closing.

    You’ll be happy to know that Republicans in Congress have already introduced legislation to repeal that burdensome government regulation.

    Setting aside the use of the regulation, how on earth would it be implemented? Grads aren’t required to give their starting salary to anyone, let alone the degree granting institution. So, how are the colleges supposed to provide the info for this requirement?

  30. Denver, that’s a clever way for Subaru to turn all the dang calls from customers asking “how do I use this thing?” into a positive. And I can’t sleep if my feet are sticking out. With a duvet, I just want them covered, but if I’m sleeping with a top sheet and blanket, I want them tucked in at the bottom of the bed.

  31. Grads aren’t required to give their starting salary to anyone, let alone the degree granting institution.

    Grads are required to give that info to the IRS. How hard do you figure it would be to cross reference the IRS data with the loan data?

  32. Grads are required to give that info to the IRS. How hard do you figure it would be to cross reference the IRS data with the loan data?

    I don’t believe people are required to give their debt info to the IRS, nor should they be. Even if they are, it doesn’t explain why the colleges should be required to obtain this information and analyze this information.

  33. Hit return to soon. why should grads be required to give their alma mater their income information?

  34. Cordiellia,

    why should grads be required to give their alma mater their income information?

    Huh? These are federal student loans. The government already has all the data.

  35. Rhett,

    Sometimes the way you say, the government or IRS could do this or that leads me to believe that you have had limited interaction with either.

  36. the government or IRS could do this or that leads me to believe that you have had limited interaction with either.

    I have a lot of interaction with both.

  37. A quick googling says they actually get the income data from the Social Security Administration rather than the IRS.

    The denominator is the higher of the cohort’s mean or median earnings obtained from the Social Security Administration (SSA).

  38. A quick googling says they actually get the income data from the Social Security Administration rather than the IRS.

    Since it takes a minimum of five years for the SSA to contact us about a problem with a social security number, I really wonder about their ability to perform those calculations in a timely fashion.

  39. Cordelia,

    You’ve detailed in the past how much effort you put into making things difficult for yourself so I have to weigh your thoughts against that.

  40. Putting aside the question of how they get their numbers, it looks to me as though art, music, and theater are particularly problematic. Harvard’s graduate theater certificate and Johns Hopkins’ graduate music certificate both are on the list. A million of those “Art Institutes” are on the list. I’m a little surprised to see so many cosmetology schools, since everyone needs to get their hair cut, but maybe it’s the price of the private cosmetology school that tips the balance.

  41. My niece in a musical theater program decided to work in a restaurant the summer after her freshman year since it’s such a common income supplement for theater types and she wanted to see how she liked it. The next fall she added a computer science minor (or possibly she’s double majoring).

  42. Non-employability of grads was a factor in prosecution of a fraudulent “university” in a case that Republicans are likely to be aware of.
    Don’t most institutions keep track of their alumni, if nothing else so they can brag about cool jobs some of them get?

  43. How do you sleep with three pillows?

    Like a baby.

    But physically where are the pillows? I sleep with one under my head. I have no idea where I would put two more pillows in a way that would increase my comfort. They would just get int he way.

  44. But physically where are the pillows?

    Under my head. They are feather/down not foam so that might be part of it.

  45. Cordelia, my guess is these agencies are much more responsive in providing data/info to other government agencies than they are in handling requests from the general public.

  46. Rhett, isn’t your head at a ridiculously sharp angle? If I put three pillows under my head, my chin would be digging into my chest.

    If they are those really flat/mushy pillows that all the hotels seem to have that I hate, I could see using two, but even then, now way three. I use one memory foam pillow and it works perfectly.

  47. “Don’t most institutions keep track of their alumni, if nothing else so they can brag about cool jobs some of them get?”

    They also are required to substantiate any claims that they make in their advertising. So if one of them says that “X% of grads have jobs in their field” or “X% of grads make X amount of money” then they have to have the data to back it up.

  48. Rhett, isn’t your head at a ridiculously sharp angle?

    You must have very firm pillows. My head just sort of sits in a fluffy groove. I pack them together more when I’m sleeping on my side to keep my head level.

  49. Yes, I use a firm pillow. I can see using a second pillow if you sleep on your side, but otherwise I don’t see how three work at all.

  50. For me, I put one pillow against the headboard and sleep on 2, but DH sleeps on all 3. He likes to be elevated I guess.

    Hotel pillows are the worst, even at a lot of nice hotels.

  51. S&M, the extent to which university departments, especially in the humanities, fail to track that information is astounding.

  52. Two of my kids were humanities majors. There are many strengths in those departments, but most at our university remain stubbornly clueless to the reality that resources follow majors. Departments that cannot attract majors, because of an accurate or perceived notion that those majors can’t get jobs, will lose funding to the departments that have figured this out and that put information on “where do our graduates go?” on their websites.

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