Are your political views similar to your parents’?

by Honolulu Mother

This article highlights a study finding that people tend to adopt what they believe are their parents’ political leanings — even though in many cases they are wrong about their parents’ views!

People Mostly Inherit What They Think Are Their Parents’ Politics

Do you know who your parents voted for when you were growing up, and do you share their political views now?

In my case, my mother and father usually voted for opposite parties in national elections while I was growing up, but in the last few presidential cycles my father has migrated to the Democrats. He’s not ever going to be a Sanders voter — he liked Jim Webb — but he views Obama as being closer to the old-style Eisenhower Republicans than are the current Republicans. So my own politics are indeed close to theirs.

How about the rest of you?


108 thoughts on “Are your political views similar to your parents’?

  1. My mom has always been a Republican (but a Massachusetts one) and my dad is a Libertarian. DH’s parents used to be Democrats but are now Trump supporters so there’s been a 180 there. All of us are much more moderate than our parents and I don’t really identify as a Republican or a Democrat. We hosted my dad and DH’s dad for Thanksgiving and there was a lot of Fox News on that week.

  2. My parents really only care about politics at the hyper local level, and that is all one party where they live. My brother would describe himself as a libertarian, and I think he probably thinks Trump is a great idea. So, despite the same background we are pretty far apart.

  3. Mom had Communist leanings in college, which is odd for someone who was otherwise a kind of mid-Victorian snob about life. Dad was an Eisenhower Republican. I know Mom voted for Obama in ’08. I know she supported marriage equality (if “who cares what they do? let them get married if they want to” constitutes support).

    I like to think I’ve thought things through for myself and that I’m not blindly following my parents, but then I like to think a lot of things.

  4. “if “who cares what they do? let them get married if they want to” constitutes support”

    Sure it does. I’d guess that a large amount of the support is along those lines.

  5. “if “who cares what they do? let them get married if they want to” constitutes support”

    Sure it does. I’d guess that a large amount of the support is along those lines.

    What else would be required to constitute support?

  6. My dad was a die hard, straight ticket democrat when I was growing up. A child of the 50s he was your typical history lesson of the middle class union family of the auto industry (thank you uaw). Now retired, with retiree health care and a great pension, he is extreme right wing republican and has no intention of his hard earned dollars going to the “democrats and their socialist views”. It has been quite a change, and Fox news is on all the time at their house. There is an article floating around out there on the internet where the writer talks about how Fox news has taken over her parents life. It was spot on. I’ve always been in the middle, unable to commit to the extreme views of either party.

  7. Yes and No. Of my close relatives (though most are now deceased), my political views most align with my aunt. My parents are/were staunch Republicans, very if you can’t pull yourself up by your own boot straps, tough types. My parents have always been willing to avoid the facts in lieu of beliefs. I am avoiding an example because they are all on very volatile issues.

    I am somewhat fiscally conservative in that I don’t believe that more money is always the answer to fixing the problem. I tend to be more socially liberal.

  8. My dad was a democrat, but supported Nixon. My mom a republican, but adored Kennedy. I am more libertarian, which I suspect means fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Basically, I really don’t care what someone else does as long as I don’t have to pay for it.

  9. I have no idea what my dad’s political leanings are… my mom and I followed a similar track (one I noted in my youngest cousin this summer): idealist democrat in the 20s, realist no-party in the 30s, and if I continue on this track, slight right of center republican in 40s+.

    I also found out that my mom and I vote similarly – republican at the local level and democrat at the national level. Though, in my city and state, my votes do not matter at all.

    I may just turn off network TV and DVR everything so I can skip commercials from now until Nov. 2016.

  10. I am somewhat fiscally conservative in that I don’t believe that more money is always the answer to fixing the problem. I tend to be more socially liberal. +1

    I remember my dad coming home from voting after work in November 1966 and telling my mom about a saying that was going around…”If it’s Brown*, flush it.” i.e. vote Reagan for governor.

    * that’s Edmund G. “Pat” Brown, then incumbent governor of California & Jerry’s dad.

    Ron Dellums was our district’s US Congressman (democrat) forever when I was growing up from age 13 on. My mom hated him…I think she thought he was a Black Panther sympathizer…so she voted republican, though now she more closely aligns with democrats.

  11. My parents (translating their views to U.S. politics) are centerish/fiscally conservative and socially liberal. This summer they followed U.S. politics, watched the debates and post debate analysis with great interest. The experience of having so many candidates from each party throw their hat in the ring and then the narrowing down of the field is new to them. They were thought it was vastly amusing and entertaining.

  12. My mom was as a matter of principle an Independent when that was not all that common. She hated machine politics (spent formative years in Chicago). However, she thought Adlai Stevenson an angel, Richard Nixon somewhere between craven and demonic, Eisenhower a wimp politically, and her last vote was for Obama in the primary. She did vote for Mac Mathias (a very liberal MD Republican), so the fact that she didn’t vote straight party line Dem made her in her mind an Independent. My family has real socialists, my husband’s grandmother subscribed to the Daily Worker and his closest cousin is an old school labor movement journalist. DH complied with the draft in 1965 and served in Vietnam, which he considered an obligation of citizenship and has never seen as incompatible with being a true liberal.

    So my mom was a true liberal and liked to think herself a centrist. I am a dying breed liberal and can’t fathom that in my lifetime the center has moved so far right that Obama and Clinton (who are more like Eisenhower Republicans) are considered flaming liberals.

  13. “My brother would describe himself as a libertarian, and I think he probably thinks Trump is a great idea.”

    Trying to figure out why that would be. A lot of Trump’s ideas should be terrifying to Libertarians (and conservatives- or really any thinking person honestly). Can’t remember who it was, but someone commented that Trump isn’t anti-big government, he’s just upset that he’s not in charge of it. Seems accurate to me.

  14. Can’t remember who it was, but someone commented that Trump isn’t anti-big government, he’s just upset that he’s not in charge of it. Seems accurate to me.

    I have to agree with you on that one.

  15. My parents’ families owned land and one thing they could never be was communists/socialists. In the home country at one point in time, the socialists were all for government take over of land above a certain ceiling. The whole process gave rise to political bosses/corruption.

  16. When Jesse “The Body” Ventura was elected governor of Minnesota, no one was more shocked than he. He made a modest effort to fill the (thankfully only two year) job. Trump would be shocked to become President of the US, although he might just end up the Republican nominee. Even Ross Douthat is getting worried about that possibility, trying to paint Trump the blowhard as a capital F 20th century Fascist (not the small f fascist epithet tossed around loosely by the left).

  17. Growing up, my dad would never tell us who he voted for. He really values the secret ballot. But he was always The King of the Underdog, and that deeply influenced all of us. He was playing on racially integrated basketball teams in West Philly in the mid-50’s, and that influenced him as well. So my political views are fairly social justice-influenced. I don’t support it taken to the extreme, though. (per Milo request, I am considering extreme to be widespread student loan forgiveness or free college.).

    Now in his late 70’s, my dad is much more conservative, while my mom is more liberal. My siblings live in Hollywood and the world of academia, and are extremely liberal. Because I have so much respect for my dad, I am much more open to trying to really understand conservative views than I might have been otherwise. (Meaning squashing my knee-jerk opposition to some of the inflammatory or judgmental comments coming through my Facebook feed). I am fairly conservative financially, but like others here am more socially liberal. My in-laws have no interest whatsoever in politics, so that in itself makes my DH much different than his parents.

  18. Rocky, I did receive your suggestions. Thanks, and stay tuned for my email about scheduling.

    I’m not sure about my parents’ views, but many members of my family are strongly liberal/socialist. And then about 1/4 are very conservative. The liberal members seem to work mostly in “caring” professions, many in government or nonprofits. It’s interesting to see how political views develop. I like it best when my kids follow a rational thought pattern in forming opinions, even if that means they disagree with their parents. However misguided that may be. ;)

    I recently was reminded that I once voted for one of the Koch brothers, back when he ran as VP on the Libertarian ticket years ago. My views, and probably his, haven’t changed much since then.

  19. MBT, that is a perfect description of Trump. One of the benefits of rarely watching live TV is being able to insulate oneself from TV ads of any kind. Except in public spaces. It’s kind of ironic that as it becomes easier to avoid live TV at home, it seems to be blaring away just about everywhere else. I have never actually listened to Trump speak. Or most other politicians, for that matter.

    My parents were classic Democrats when I was growing up, except that they weren’t crazy about unions, especially the teachers’ union that went on strike when I was in middle school and cost us six weeks of school. Watergate probably had much to do with solidifying their politics, though it wasn’t really a major topic of discussion at the dinner table. Both parents drifted further leftward in their retirement years. My dad is probably still there, although he mostly keeps his views to himself. DH’s parents were less interested in politics, and far less informed, so that when they did express their views, there were glaring inconsistencies. Mostly, they were/are convinced that the government is out to get the little guy, except of course for Medicare and Social Security.

    DH is more conservative than I, but we are both considerably more conservative than virtually all of our extended family. One reason that we started inviting strays (especially non-Americans) to Thanksgiving dinner was to serve as buffer.

  20. My parents are liberal Democrats. My father has become a little more Republican due to fiscal issues, but he is definitely a democrat on social issues.

    I went to very conservative colleges and grad schools. I was one of very few Democrats in college. That was a huge shift as everyone seemed to be a Democrat in NYC in the 70s and 80s before Guiliani.

    My views have shifted and I’d describe myself as a Bloomberg democrat. I’m very liberal on most social issues, but I can’t stand govt waste. I wish the fiscal policies were different at the local and federal levels.

  21. My dad was, at heart, a rather conservative democrat and my mom a fairly moderate republican. We all were all immersed in politics and political decisions around the dining room table early in life.

    My dad had a real love of politics, which he shared with me. He didn’t care what I was or who I voted for (if I could justify it), but I couldn’t be an independent under any circumstance. Why? Because in the states in which we lived only registered party members could vote in a primary, and my dad always considered the primary to be the most important election. To this day, I switch parties regularly, depending on which primary I want to vote in. I am currently a republican, fully intending to vote for Trump. Of course, I am a progressive democrat at heart and plan to happily vote for Hillary in the general.

  22. My parents are not politically active–I’m not sure that they vote. DS1 has become politically active and, once I got over the shock (different party than me), I realized that I enjoyed talking about his political views on various topics.

  23. I don’t know why he didn’t run, but why bother? The Zuckerbergs, Koch and Gates families will try to influence or change policy via funding. They don’t have to sacrifice their privacy to the media. They don’t have to cross the country for two years to beg for votes. I just can’t see Bloomberg giving up his life style to run.

  24. “I just can’t see Bloomberg giving up his life style to run.”

    I’d agree with you Lauren, but I think Trump may be teaching us that one doesn’t really have to give up one’s lifestyle to run.

    Think about it. He usually calls into the news shows, often at his convenience. He runs things out of Trump Tower and generally gives his interviews there. Folks go to meet him there. When he goes somewhere, it’s a big show– not generally a stop by at a coffee shop in New Hampshire– and he takes his own jet, helicopter, whatever. My guess is that he has eaten very few refried cheese dogs at state fairs (although his body shape might indicate otherwise).

    Heck, he’s not even spending much of his own money! He says he has it and that he’ll spend it, but he doesn’t. And Lord knows, he isn’t getting immersed in the nuances of any issue.

    I think Mr. Trump is running quite the comfortable campaign.

  25. “I think Mr. Trump is running quite the comfortable campaign”*

    Of course, I say all that and Trump did look very tired at the Rush Hour Rally that I went to at The Doral a few weeks ago. (He was much better in Jacksonville the next day.) I thought at the time that that may be attributable to his age and the hour. But he definitely was not rocking it that evening and it showed.

    * I think this is a new low– quoting myself. Sorry.

  26. My parents were fiscally conservative and socially conservative (don’t have sex!), but also more libertarian/live and let live on gay people etc. than the rest of their views would indicate. This was in the 80s. I am not sure about their views on national defense etc., but they always did (and still do) have a horror of giant government deficits.

    I am far more liberal than either of them, but I do also hate government waste/overspending and see a lot of it, particularly lazy employees at the probate court and so forth. Oddly, my siblings both ended up far more conservative – one is more libertarian and one more ‘regular’ Republican – but my heart is far more bleeding than theirs.

  27. L, were your parents just “socially conservate” WRT you (and any sibs)?

    I.e., they didn’t care about other peoples’ kids having $ex, but not you.

  28. My parents and IL’s are all bleeding heart liberals. I consider myself to be fairly liberal, especially on social issues, but more moderate than my parents on Business/Environmental/Fiscal Issues.

    I can’t envision a world in the current environment where I would vote anything but Democratic
    Party for President, but I have most definitely voted Republican or 3rd party in State/Local elections – Local especially. My least favorite politician of any party is our corrupt and self-serving Democratic Mayor Rahm Emanuel.

  29. Finn, no, they were all about the traditional 1950s family values. They very much shake their head at their friends’ kids who had children out of wedlock (!!) and also their friends’ kids who have gotten divorced. (All of my parents’ friends who are couples are still married.)

  30. It is interesting that I had to dig around to find the property taxes for the Andover house. If a house or condo is listed in Westchester, the property taxes will be right in the same top box as the list price on the realty web site.

  31. Rhett – It needs some color, shower doors, a screened porch, and a bigger deck (for such a large house).

    I don’t care about that much space, but I won’t pretend that I wouldn’t love a four-car garage.

  32. My parents were/are liberals. I’m liberal as well though a little less than my parents. I remember when I was 5 or so my mother being absolutely appalled that my grandmother voted to re-elect Nixon. My parents were solidly in the McGovern camp.

    My dad is solidly in the Bernie Sanders camp. My in-laws are democrats but I’m not sure if they are supporting Sanders or Clinton. I’ll vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination. Locally, Seattle elected officials are almost all democrats. I do often find myself wishing there were fiscal conservatives on our city council (I would vote for them!). We do have a Republican Prosecuting Attorney who I like and vote for; he would be considered a Democrat anywhere outside of Seattle.

  33. Yeah, that one’s very nice, Rhett. It just looks so much more comfortable inside. Obviously, the other one is spec and unfurnished, but still.

  34. That first house has a lot going on with it, and not in a good way. Did anyone else notice the 8000 canned lights. It caught my attention in every picture.

  35. Milo and Rhett and others, since it is after 4, I can go off topic.

    I thank everyone here for all your help. I wound up buying a Mazda CX5. I love it! It is a perfect size, Junior likes it, and has a zillion safety features. You all put me on the path for this, so I just say thanks.

  36. RMS – Those are professional-grade colored pencils that I would hide from my 8-yr-old. With 132 colors in the set, that’s $0.78 per pencil. My local artists’ supply store sells them for $1.75 each.

  37. Why would a house need more full bathrooms than there are bedrooms?

    Lemon, I totally noticed all the canned lights. The whole house looks polka-dotted.

  38. Initially for the square footage and the price I thought the first house was run down inside, notwithstanding the fact that it is really ugly. From the sales history and photos it looks like there might have been a teardown or some other non-house structure on the site, this one was built new or converted/added on to from a non residential use, with a grandiose architectural plan and not enough money to finish it. The property taxes will go way up on this one – the amount on the site are the taxes on the old unimproved structure and property.

  39. would a house need more full bathrooms than there are bedrooms?

    Maybe one off the den on the main floor to facilitate aging in place and maybe one in the basement so you could easily add an au pair suite or in-law apartment?

  40. Rhett — I vote for gather dust, as much as anything because it would be so fussy to set it up. Why not get something like this , and if you find you love it and want to spiralize so many vegetables at once that the hand-held one gets tiring to use, then buy the attachment?

  41. My parents were very liberal. They had friends who were in the big civil rights marches in the south, who went to prison for resisting the draft, and who were openly gay in the 70’s. We discussed politics often in our house. My parents were among the few in our state who voted for McGovern, for example. My mother was a big supporter of Jesse Jackson’s run for president. I always was sad that she did not get to see Obama elected.

  42. The ILs were solid pro-union Democrats. They were kids in the Depression and revered FDR. They even voted McGovern like my parents, though in their New England state it was much less weird. I know MIL voted for Obama.

  43. I’m less conservative than my parents, but both of us see problems with most government programs. It seems obvious to me that limiting student loans to people with the aptitude to graduate would be good public policy yet free college/loan forgiveness to in-over-their-head borrowers is a popular talking point. I also disagree that loan forgiveness should be associated with work for a government/non-profit. If the work for the government/non-profit is worth doing, it should be worth doing at a market rate.

    Lather, rinse, repeat for my views on FAA software development, washing machine efficiency, bunk bed regulations, and healthcare. Regarding healthcare, I read that economists describe 4 methods to distribute goods- cost, queuing, fiat or random distribution. It has me thinking about future healthcare availability.

  44. It seems obvious to me that limiting student loans to people with the aptitude to graduate would be good public policy

    I agree. It would be interesting to see how we ended up quantifying aptitude.

  45. Only thing is, we would still need to provide some kind of post HS education for those “without the aptititude to graduate”, so they can go be plumbers or machinists or whatever. That may not be as expensive as a 4 year degree, but will still cost money, so loans and grants will still be needed. It may at least be a more productive use of the money

  46. WCE,

    Cognitive bias question: How come you never mention the regulations and programs that work great? Is it because things working well don’t make the news?

  47. I’m watching Trump entertaining now in South Carolina. He is so good! Very funny. Very full of hyperbole, It is truly amazing.

    At this rate, I may just throw Hillary overboard and vote for Trump in the general as well.

    Poor Jeb!

  48. “Why would a house need more full bathrooms than there are bedrooms?”

    Well, I don’t know that any house needs more full bathrooms than bedrooms.

    But if each bedroom is paired with a full bath, then it would be nice to have a bathroom on the levels without bedrooms. If the house has a pool, then a full bath just inside from the pool would be useful. A bathroom just inside the garage could also be useful.

    “Did anyone else notice the 8000 canned lights.”

    If you’re talking about the unfurnished house, notice that it did not have fixtures. A lot of those holes are for future installation of light fixtures, which could be other than recessed lights.

    OTOH, one thing I found out during our remodel is that recessed lights are among the least expense light fixtures available, and the most inexpensive for most picky people.

  49. but will still cost money, so loans and grants will still be needed.

    Why not just pay for it out of tax revenue? There is no reason we have to wait till they are 16/17 to do WCE’s college/not colleges sort. We could do it at 10 like they do in Germany.

  50. Isn’t a grant just tax money? OK, you could make the apprentice programs free, whatever. The point is that it still costs money

  51. Rhett, that first house is dreadful. The second is better, but why have the garage visible from the street? Tacky.

    I bought the handheld spiralizer and found it was too difficult to use frequently and fussy to clean, so I replaced it with the kind that is suction cupped to the table. That Is quite useful and 50x faster to use. I use it every other day, but that’s because I’m on a diet and I make a quick squash pasta. I find that yellow squash, sautéed and well drained, is a fine pasta replacement. YMMV. DH and the kids won’t try it.

    In short, great gift for someone who is dieting, gluten free, or on a whole30/paleo kick, but likely to get you a sideways glance and a “what are you trying to say, dear?” if you give it to your wife out of the blue.

  52. @RMS – DD would love those. Her room though is overflowing with arts & crafts sets, pencils, crayons and markers. We have more than enough art supplies but not nearly enough usuage nowadays. I am a little sad to say good to Crayola.

  53. Rhett, I think interstate highways were the pinnacle of federal government achievement. I am also fond of government-funded dredging of seaways and charting of nautical obstacles, NIH research, and the wisdom and discretion with which the law is often applied to criminals in our courts, when judges are given discretion.

    I suppose the reason I oppose most government proposals is that they often involve adding new programs instead of fixing/replacing old ones. It seems like Democrats are way too concerned about people who will be left out (the bright, poor child who will decide not to attend college) and not concerned enough about the much larger number of people who will attend college without much benefit. My uncle-the-slumlord didn’t graduate from college and he’s doing just fine.

    “Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good.”
    ― Thomas Sowell

    “It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”
    ― Thomas Sowell

  54. “It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”
    ― Thomas Sowell
    Kind of like what corporate CEOs do…

  55. On government activities that work well — air traffic controllers, funerals at Arlington Cemetery, US Postal Service (the delivery end, not the post office end), WIC (not sure about that one but it seems to help a lot of people).

  56. It isn’t just corporate CEOs. I can’t tell you how many people I know that lost millions of dollars for their firms in the financial crisis and now work at another financial firm.

  57. WCE,

    You talk a lot about CPS. An old co-worker and her husband just adopted their foster children. They had been removed from their bio – parents due to neglect resulting from drug use. The parents admitted it was unlikely they could control their drug use and relinquished their parental rights. Now, thanks to CPS, the kids have been adopted into a loving upper middle class home. I notice you never focus on those stories. Why is that?

  58. And the national park system, the Smithsonian, the Navy SEALS, public libraries, the Fairfax County Rec Centers, the GI Bill.
    Also community college systems, which despite their flaws still provide a second or third chance to those who didn’t have their act together at age 18, those who WOULD have had their act together if their parents had been in a position to help them, immigrants, and those who need to change careers.

  59. I can’t tell you how many people I know that lost millions of dollars for their firms in the financial crisis and now work at another financial firm.

    Didn’t they lose those millions by doing exactly what they were told to do? I bet their new bosses are comforted knowing they are team players doing what they are told vs. rouges doing what they think is right.

  60. Most of the happiest upper middle class adoption stories I’m familiar with involve private, religious adoption agencies. My religious friends who foster children have mixed opinions of CPS. There are some very good, very dedicated social workers and there are some who are not, just like public school teachers. Some of the foster homes children are removed into are better than their natural parents’ homes but not all are.

    I’ve never lived in a time without extensive government involvement in many aspects of life, so I guess I don’t know what to compare to. I’m not opposed to many/most existing aspects of government, but I don’t see any candidates advocating for the abolition of interstate highways. If the Koch brothers supported abolishing interstate highways, I would be a government supporter.

    Why do you think CPS does a better job than religious charities did of dealing with orphans? (Religious charities did the job before CPS.) Do you think the government would do a better job on electrical safety than UL does?

    I see government as replacing the work formerly done by religious charities and private organizations. I have mixed feelings about forcing people to pay for social services via taxes, vs. funding them voluntarily via charity. But in past discussions, I noticed I was rare in tithing to church/charity. I would choose to fund social programs in developing countries over CPS in the U.S.

  61. Why do you think CPS does a better job than religious charities did of dealing with orphans?

    Because at the time a majority of voters felt the religious charities weren’t doing enough and demanded the government step in.

  62. There was, and still is, an incredible amount of corruption in those private religious adoption agencies. Many of course are perfectly fine, but in countries like Vietnam, there were some not so great things happening. How about that case in Haiti, where the missionaries were essentially kidnapping children to place them for adoption? There are a lot of really creepy evangelical adoption agencies who see it as their mission to Christianize as many kids as possible, whether or not these kids may have had families.

  63. I think that although obviously flawed, that CPS does a decent job given their chronic underfunding and the nature of their work. The couple we are going on the cruise with next week adopted sisters they had been fostering earlier this year, and continue to foster a couple other kids. One of the things that impressed me is how much assistance they and CPS have given a young father trying to get custody of his child, who was removed from the drug addicted mother. He had only supervised visits at their home at first, and they really mentored him and taught him what he needs to know. After about a year of that, and jumping through every hoop, he got custody, but they continue to be the little girl’s primary babysitter when he works late shifts or weekends. It appears to be a great success, given how poorly the child’s life started out. The other two girls hit the jackpot – a nice extended family and lots of love. I have a real appreciation of how hard CPS works to try to do the best for these kids.

  64. “But in past discussions, I noticed I was rare in tithing to church/charity.”

    We give through religious charities. We consolidated our giving, started limited volunteering and with that to the extent we can, started looking more closely at where our money was going. We cannot do the amount of volunteering some in our community do (at this point in our lives, we work and generate the dollars to donate). I was amused because I did offer to volunteer for one of the positions but soon found out that my job was fund raising from a given donor list by phone. Both the woman in charge and myself realized that I was ill suited to that job.

  65. It seems obvious to me that limiting student loans to people with the aptitude to graduate would be good public policy

    It almost seems as if even the NYT agrees with this.

    … the federal student loan program has been removed from the norms and values of prudent lending. Because the Department of Education doesn’t consider risk, it takes no responsibility.

    I agree. It would be interesting to see how we ended up quantifying aptitude.

    You could start with requiring a minimum SAT score.

  66. For a long time CPS placed too much value in keeping kids with parents who have no business even being around children instead of allowing them to be adopted, but I believe this policy has improved in recent years in some places.

  67. I don’t know what the tax and finance folks think, but I think Josh Kennon doesn’t understand how semicolons work.

  68. Louise – Try repurposing some of your daughter’s art supplies. Gather up old crayon bits, remove all paper, and chop them up. Get some clear glass ball ornaments, remove the tops, and drop in some crayon chunks. Heat with a hair dryer and twirl as the crayons melt, coating the inside of the glass ball. I had seen this on Pinterest and tried it with DD this weekend, and it actually worked. Very cool ornaments!

  69. Rocky – He’s on a not-very-subtle mission to segue his blog into a marketing invitation to the actively managed investment fund he’s developing, all the while acting like he doesn’t even want the business of most lowly, unwashed readers.

  70. Thanks SWVA Mom. I used to never venture into ornament making with the kids since in years past they would bring ornaments home from school. But now, that is at an end. I am glad I kept things like the snowman with his nose falling off.

  71. I saw this morning that Huffington Post is going to stop covering Trump’s campaign in their entertainment section. I am torn between thinking good for them and thinking it’s something I would find outrageous if Fox did with a democrat candidate.

  72. It was a publicity stunt to move it to that section, and it’s a publicity stunt to move it back. What difference does it make?

  73. Much of my professional tax life was spent on transfer pricing design in the international context. If Vanguard is guilty of anything, it is not so much of defrauding the US Treasury and some state treasuries, but of gaining a competitive advantage over other funds by reason of Bogle’s vision and the unique corporate structure that was permitted by the SEC. (The complaint is that Vanguards investment management corporation charges the funds below market rates to minimize expense ratios and that this management corporation pays very little in corporate income taxes.)

    At the time the structure was set up, taxes were not a big issue. There was no preferential tax rate for dividends (long term capital gains preferences come and go more frequently). Also, the arrangement predates the massive use of 401ks – tax deferral vehicles. So if you and I got higher dividends each year as a result of a lower expense charge to the fund by the management entity, we would pay higher Fed and state taxes. So overall, the fisc (term of art for the financial health of the government) was not harmed by the fact that the corporation that is Vanguard’s management entity pays lower taxes because the mutual fund investors pay higher taxes on the larger dividends. Fast forward 40 years and much of the tax revenue on the dividends is tax deferred in 401ks, or tax exempt in Roths or 529s. Dividends are taxed at preferential rates, so there is a reduction in tax revenue when it taxed in the hands of individuals rather than the management corporation.

  74. Is anyone using Amazon Pantry? I got a $5.99 credit (basically free shipping) for it so I just bought $150 worth of stuff I would normally get at Target – laundry detergent, toilet paper, floor cleaner, face products, Easy Mac & other kid snacks. I hope this will save me the extra $$ I end up spending just by walking into a the store, not to mention the time vs. higher prices at the regular grocery store.

  75. Louise – We made ornaments over the weekend using a salt/flour/water mixture. Roll out and use cooking cutters to shape (like sugar cookies), use a straw to create a hole so you can hang the ornament, bake, and then use old crayons to color. The crayons melt as you color. If the cookies cool, you can still color them and then pop them back in the oven for a few minutes to melt the crayons.The kids wrote their names on the back and the year and presto – gifts for the grandmas.

    If I, the most non-crafty person ever, can do this, anyone can.

  76. SWVA – I’ve racked up quite a few of those $5.99 credits for Amazon Pantry in Christmas shopping this month, so I plan to look at it soon. Better than the $1 credit they were giving before for Amazon Videos if you chose the delayed shipping option.

  77. ATM – DW and the kids have been making a bunch of “sugar scrubs,” mostly with coconut oil, in small mason jars as gifts. They’ve also done some kind of “shower bombs” of various oils like peppermint and citric acid.

  78. I got a couple of Amazon Pantry credits, then took a look at it and realized it doesn’t even ship to Hawaii. So my feeling on the switch from $1 video credits to $5.99 Pantry shipping credits is “Well this sucks.”

  79. Well that’s a bummer, HM. I hope it’s just temporary to promote the Pantry service and they will go back to the $1 credits. I only took the 5.99 credit instead of free Prime shipping because I didn’t want the gifts I was buying to arrive when DD was home. I usually just order health/beauty/household/grocery items from Amazon when I realize I’m running out of something that I know is cheaper there, taking full advantage of Prime shipping. I can’t imagine that I’ll usually pay for shipping just to buy a larger quantity of stuff.

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